B side single (not selected)

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robmaijer
B side single (not selected)
09.01.15 16:04
Hello,

I bought a NSM 130 console last December.

Now I have a problem:

When I select a B-side of a single the needle doesn't go to right.
All the other pieces are working correct. (the single turns te right derection)

Can someone help me with this problem?

Best regards,

Rob Maijer
The Netherlands
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kaiCGN
Re: B side single (not selected)
10.01.15 11:37
Hey Rob,
this happens when the sledge has benn not used for a longer time. I presume, there is nocthing broken ( please check that too)
Can you move the sledge by hand easily?
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pitinwhv
Re: B side single (not selected)
10.01.15 22:35
Hello,
side changing mechanism might be blocked by hard grease or corrosion, clean it.
Regards PitinWHV.
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robmaijer
Re: B side single (not selected)
14.01.15 16:30
Hello,

Thank you for your answers, I can move the sledge by hand. from left to right.

Does anybody know if I also can place a picture in this forum?
Maybe that is easier to explain my problem

gr.
Rob Maijer
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pitinwhv
Re: B side single (not selected)
14.01.15 21:29
Hello RM,
for picture upload click on: Attach file.
Your problem is clear as glass, so what picture do you want to attach?
Regards PitinWHV.
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robmaijer
Re: B side single (not selected)
15.01.15 19:25
Hello PitinWHV

I hope you understand that I am new in the jukebox "world" this is my first jukebox ever.

When I bought the JB I thought it played the B-side also. I don't have a manual with the JB, so if there is something wrong I don't know how to fix it yet.

I attached 2 pictures, please can you tell me what the side changing mechanisme is (if it is visible on the pictures?)

I hope you can help me.

Best regards,

Rob Maijer


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pitinwhv
Re: B side single (not selected)
15.01.15 22:52
Hello RM,
it is on the opposite side of foto2jb.
Will send you a foto tomorrow.
Regards PitinWHV.
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pitinwhv
Re: B side single (not selected)
16.01.15 10:41
Hello RM,
here comes the foto of the A/B side changing mechanism.
All lever/roller near the red A/B mark should move easily.
Regards PitinWHV.


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robmaijer
Re: B side single (not selected)
19.01.15 20:32
Hello PitinWHV,

Thank you very much for the picture. I checked the changing mechanism. all the parts are moving easily.
What or which part makes the mechanism change?

is it a electric movement? if that is so, can it be an electric problem? (relais)

Best regards,

Rob Maijer

If the jukebox is going to work with your help I send you a present! smiling smiley
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pitinwhv
Re: B side single (not selected)
19.01.15 21:00
Hello RM,
ok., as far as I understand NSM mechanism the side changing is controlled via the camshaft by the rotation of the motor, that means, if you select an A side the motor rotates for example left, and if you select a B side the motor rotates right. So check this bevor other actions.
Regards PitinWHV.
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robmaijer
Re: B side single (not selected)
20.01.15 16:26
Hello PitinWHV,

the motor turns the right way, only the needle mechanisme doesn't goes to the right.

when I move the turning mechanisme (a/b) by hand (as on your picture) the needle mechanisme goes to the right.

I can't find/see anything that gives the a/b mechanisme a signal to move.

Regards,
Rob
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pitinwhv
Re: B side single (not selected)
20.01.15 16:46
Hello RM,
the "Signal" is pure mechanical from the camshaft.
Back to my earlier question, are you absolutely sure that the big roller (Foto green dot) under the lever is not blocked?
You can watch the movement of the roller by actuating the tone arm slide manually.
Regards PitinWHV.



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pitinwhv
Re: B side single (not selected)
20.01.15 16:53
Hello RM,
I forgot the Foto, here it is.
Regards PitinWHV.


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robmaijer
Re: B side single (not selected)
20.01.15 17:23
Hello,

I tryed to attache a movie but that is not possible.
When I move the needle mechanisme by hand everything moves good. nothing is blocked.(a/b and the green block on your picture)



.Rob
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pitinwhv
Re: B side single (not selected)
20.01.15 18:00
Hello RM,
load the movie up to YouTube and send me the link.
Regards PitinWHV.
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pitinwhv
Re: B side single (not selected)
20.01.15 18:03
Hello RM,
load the movie up to you tube and send me the link.
Regards PitinWHV.
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robmaijer
Re: B side single (not selected)
20.01.15 20:02
Hello PitinWHV,

I make another movie tomorrow when I have more light.

I will sent you the link tomorrow.

Best regards,
Rob
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robmaijer
Re: B side single (not selected)
21.01.15 20:29
Hello Pitinwhv,

I send you the youtube links in a private message.

Best regards,
Rob
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pitinwhv
Re: B side single (not selected)
21.01.15 21:02
Hello RM,
nice videos, I cannot see very clearly at the second video but it seems to me that the roller (green mark on my foto) does not move. Check it again by placing a color mark on it and watching the movement if there is any.
Regards PitinWHV.
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robmaijer
Re: B side single (not selected)
21.01.15 21:37
Hello,

Thank you for watching the videos, I wil check it tomorrow.

Regards,

Rob
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robmaijer
Re: B side single (not selected)
21.01.15 21:44
hello,

you mean this part?

see attachment.

best regards,

Rob


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pitinwhv
Re: B side single (not selected)
21.01.15 22:20
Hello RM,
yes.
Regards PitinWHV.
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robmaijer
Re: B side single (not selected)
22.01.15 19:12
Hello,

The roller doesn't move. see video. (link by private message)

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pitinwhv
Re: B side single (not selected)
22.01.15 20:14
Hello RM,
we are close to the finish line now.
Heat the roller up with a soldering iron, turn with pliers and when it becomes loose lubricate with good thin oil, not Livio.
The roller must move smooth and I am quite sure that the A/B changing will work than as it should.
Regards PitinWHV.




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robmaijer
Re: B side single (not selected)
22.01.15 20:48
Good evening Pitinwhv,

Tomorrow I;m going to fix this roller.

Hope this is the problem!

you hear from me tomorrow.

regards,
Rob
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robmaijer
Re: B side single (not selected)
23.01.15 17:14
Hello PitinWHV,

Check this:

[www.youtube.com]


best regards,

Rob
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pitinwhv
Re: B side single (not selected)
23.01.15 19:07
Hello RM,
as Jagger said: Congratulations.
But strange noise during carriage run from left to right.
Some oil needs?
Regards PitinWHV.



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robmaijer
Re: B side single (not selected)
23.01.15 19:35
Hello,

The problem was not the roller. it was the a/b mechanism it was stuck together. (see attachment)
now it's moving apart from each other.


And yes, it needs some oil. it's so clean now that all the old oil is disappeared. smiling smiley


I have another question about a part of the jukebox (see attachment 2) can you tell me what this is for?

Best regards,
Rob



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robmaijer
Re: B side single (not selected)
23.01.15 19:41
Hello,

The problem was not the roller bus the a/b/ mechanism. (see attachment)
it was stuck together.

And yes, all needs some new oil now. I cleaned everything so all the old oil is disappeared.

I have also another question (see attachment 2) Can you tell me where this is for?




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pitinwhv
Re: B side single (not selected)
23.01.15 21:01
Hello RM,
the foto 2 shows the "pop-meter", the wheels show how often a record was selected.
Regards PitinWHV.
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pitinwhv
Re: B side single (not selected)
24.01.15 12:05
robmaijer schrieb:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hello,
>
> The problem was not the roller. it was the a/b
> mechanism it was stuck together. (see attachment)
> now it's moving apart from each other.
>

Hello RM,
you could have got this result already on 16.01.2015.
Remember my advice:
" here comes the foto of the A/B side changing mechanism.
All lever/roller near the red A/B mark should move easily".
Your answer was:
"Thank you very much for the picture. I checked the changing mechanism. all the parts are moving easily."
What did you check that time?
General Problem with this "distant diagnosis" is that the asker often does not read the answers, for what reasons ever.
Ok., the Job is finished luckely.
Regards PÜitinWHV.


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robmaijer
Re: B side single (not selected)
24.01.15 12:54
Hello PintinWHV,

You are right, but I thought the a/b mechanism was moving easily.
I didn't understood that the parts had to move separately. (and that was the problem)

I am a very happy man now!

I only have to solve the strange noise when the whole mechanism is moving from left to right and back. But that must be a oil problem.

I want to thank you again for all your help.

Best regards,
Rob Maijer



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